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Wednesday, October 20, 2010
Crusades
Do you think that the effects of the Crusades still affect Christian & Muslim attitudes & views towards each other today? Think about the portrayal of each group today in TV, the Web, movies, newspapers, & other media. Please explain your answer.
I do think that the Crusaders had a big impact on Christians and Muslims attitudes towards each other. The views are a lot different; more hate I would imagine, cause of the Crusaders poor decisions in the process to do what Pope Urban had sent them for. Now a days some movies about the crusaders are big hits in the box office. Showing the events of the crusaders, such as “ The Kingdom of Heaven”. This may portray and showing the ancestors of the Muslims being killed and what had they went through at their time of hardship. Since the Turks were not united and were at their most weakest point. The Christians on the other hand, were out to recues the Eastern Orthodox Church. Greed and the lust of money were convinced in their heads, and would do anything to have the riches of the world. This did pose a problem for the crusaders and which they attacked a Christian city Zara. Then on to Constantinople, and the effects were great that the ties were cut off between the two churches and on one could trust anybody really at the time. Cause if you let your guard you yourself could be killed as well. The Kings of the Crusading army had much difficultly in trusting each other to the point of battling themselves. Then again I do think that it had a large impact, and the mistakes of the army proved to be on a large scale.
The crusaders had a huge effect on the Christian and Muslim views today. They now look at each other and don't really have a hatred but more of a dislike towards each other. You don't really hear about there being fights or protests between Christians and Muslims, but you still see a certain dislike towards each other. The tube stretches the truth about the crusades. You see victories and glory coming from the Christian side. In reality only the first crusade was the only successful crusade. All other crusades were not a victory and failed horribly.
I believe that in some ways it does still affect the attitudes towards each other. The reason is, both will never forget that the Crusades happened. Even till this point there is conflict between both groups. Mostly the conflicts are over religion and who has the Holy Land. In today's media both religion are being portrayed. For example, Christian priests are all over the media with a scandal about how they molested a child. Another thing is that they may say how Muslims celebrate their holidays differently and some people criticize about the things they do differently. That is how Muslims and Christians are being portrayed.
I think that the effects of the Crusades still affects Christian and Muslim attitudes and views towards each other today. Part of that is because the Crusades happened and there is no way to go back and undo everything that happened. I think that the Christians and Muslims from Crusades periods, who hated each other, passed on their hatred to their children, and they passed it on to their children and so on. With so many years passed, I would think that their attitude and views towards each other is based more upon what their ancestors believed and not so much on what actually happened during the Crusades. Thats just a little on what I think...I really have not looked at the effects with detail and I rarely watch t.v., movies, etc. that have to do with history so I'm not sure how they are described.
Do you think that the effects of the Crusades still affect Christian & Muslim attitudes & views towards each other today? Think about the portrayal of each group today in TV, the Web, movies, newspapers, & other media. Please explain your answer.
Before the crusades, Muslims and Christians had already established a negative relationship. This was because their religious views contradicted one another and they were often competing for the same land to gain resources and power. These opposite groups experienced problems long before the crusades. The several instances of the crusades simply added to the list of reasons for disagreement and hatred. Today, conflict still arises between Muslims and Christians about several different things that are all based around just one concept; their belief's cause dispute no matter what the reason. It is undeniably just the way it is and probably always will be.
I believe the Crusades definitely did affect Christian & Muslim attitudes & views towards each other today. Because of how the Crusades ended, both groups still have something against each other. Even though to a certain point they respect each other in the way that they decide just not bother each other, they still believe each is better than the other. It may not be hatred that they have for each other but is a strong dislike. You would think that after so many years people would get over the whole thing, but some disagreements still happen today. The United States is welcoming to any person with any religion. Most of the United States is filled with Christians. Muslims aren't seen as bad in the tv or any other media, but some people always have it in their heads to say "Watch Out". This just shows that some things just can not be changed.
I think that there is still some tension between Muslims and Christians since the Crusades but I feel that most of the disagreements and tension are more related to the differences in their religions and morals. The Crusades happened a long time ago and most of them seem to have forgotten about or just simply don't really care. I'm sure there are several Muslims and Christians who are very deep into the history and still don't like each other because of the Crusades but I think for the most part it has been forgotten. There are many disagreements between the two but mostly because they both have different religions. Movies had been made but just like anything else, they only give one side of the story instead of the effects on both parts. I haven't really heard anything in the news about Christians and Muslims, but I know they have their conflicts and stuff.
I think that the Crusades still have an affect on Christians and Muslims and how they view each other. They don't hate each other but they don't like each other either. They don't have physical battles but they do kind of have little battles going on. The first crusade was the only one that worked and all the other ones were total fails.
I do think that Christians and Muslims don't really like each other, but I can't say that it's because of the Crusades, just because it happened ages ago. Mostly, I think that the two religions don't like each other because of disagreements in their religion. But maybe if people are super hardcore, like the elders or something might still be mad just because they could be more aware of what happened in the past, but I highly doubt it. I don't hear much about the two religions fighting, and I think that is just because there has been tension between them so long that they kind of stay clear from one another.
Diana -I think you gave some good examples of how Christians and Muslims are being portrayed. I also agree with all the things you had said.
Teresita -You were able to explain the thing about them not having physical battles but not liking each other. I like that because that's the point I was trying to get across. Good Job!
Not only is there conflict still today between Muslims and Christians, but I believe there always will be. It's hard to just say that all Muslims and all Christians hate each other, because I don't think that's true. But at the same time, there are Christians that hate ALL Muslims, and Muslims that hate ALL Christians. I think it's sad that we all can't just respect each other's beliefs and move on. Everyone thinks they're religion is right-otherwise they wouldn't believe in it, but I don't think it's necessary to try and convert the rest of the world. It's also sad that we can't learn from past mistakes, and move on.
I do believe the Crusades still have an effect on Muslims and Christians. After 9/11, many Americans had "islamophobia" or fear of Muslims because the attackers were Islamic. This was worsened by many Christian political leaders such as Bill O'Reilly, who just recently claimed on TV that "Muslims killed us on 9/11". I don't honestly think that the fear of the attackers religion would have surfaced if there weren't already a Muslim prejudice. I also believe that Christianity and Islam have many differences in general, that already aggravate the other religion.
Yes, I think that the effects of the Crusades still affect Christians and Muslims attitudes towards each other because when one country is attacked, of course they aren't going to forgive and completely forget, there's still going to be tension there. I think that the two groups already had problems before the Crusades so as more problems and conflicts arose between them, it added to the affects of the Crusades. I think that these two groups are portrayed that they don't get along very well because of they're beliefs. However, I think that this portrayal is true because the two groups of people have never fully gotten along.
Jessica - I agree with you that there are Christians and Muslims that hate the entire other religion, and it's a sad fact. I also believe that we should try to let it bother us less and forgive past events.
Keyli - I agree that each religion believes it's superior to the others. I also agree that bad feelings are still around because of the Crusades, because like you said, they both still have things against the other.
Olivia, that was a good point that Muslims and Christians have always had some beef. I think that no matter what, there is always going to be unsolved issues, so nothing will be resolved. Good post.
Teresita, I can't really comment on yours because than my comment would be bigger than your post. But I like your posts because they are simple and straight to the point. I agree with what you say. I have to agree that compared to the first battle of the Crusades, the rest of the attempts weren't as good.
The Crusades definitely effected the attitudes of the Muslims and Christians toward each other. During the time period after the Crusades Muslims and Christians hated each other. I don't think the same holds true today. Muslims and Christians today may not necessarily like each other but they don't hate one another either. Conflict between the two groups arises with the topic of religion and faith. Each group has its own distinct beliefs, practices and customs as any other faith does. So I do think the Crusades affected the relation between the two at the time but not necessarily today because within some areas what the Christians believe is the complete opposite of what the Muslims believe so I think even without the Crusades there would have still been some tension. I haven't really seen any of the effects on how they are portrayed on t.v. and other media.
Kelli -- I agree with you that many Christians blame 9/11 on Muslims and for that reason our country of Christians still continues to have some hurt and defensive feelings about the Muslims. I think that 9/11 added tension to the relation between these two different religious groups.
Olivia-- I think that you covered this topic very well and you supported your answer nice. I agree that before all of the Crusades, there was already tension between the two groups so the Crusades added to that. I agree that the different beliefs of these two groups is always going to cause dispute because they have different views on different parts of religion.
Perhaps the Crusades affect the way different groups view each other because of the long held prejudices that are rooted in the Crusades. They were present before, but were strengthened when the Crusades took place, and have been held ever since. But maybe both groups don't dislike each other because of the crusades. Muslims and Christians both disagree on many topics of their religions. Also, both religious groups may have misconceptions about the other, such as the common misconception that all Muslims are terrorists. This was not made any easier on the Muslims by the negative media coverage following various terrorist acts both in the Middle East and in other countries, including our own.
Yes, I think that the Crusades still affect some Christians and Muslims. It might not affect all of them but it definitely affects some. Both of the religions had different views on these attacks. The Muslims that they were being attacked. Then Christian thought that they were defending their countries. This is probably some of the reasons why there is still war between christian dominated countries and Islamic countries.
When ever they portray a Muslim usually in media it is usually because they associate them with terrorist. The "hatred" between the two religions really haven't stopped. If it had then the Muslims would probably be a lot more peaceful. Followers of their religion would probably not be suicide bombers in the name of Allah. Most of the media inquires that Muslims are bad people. This is not true but the acts that they do just makes it stereotypical. These acts could have something to do with the Crusades. Then again terrorist attacks can have nothing to do with the crusades.
There will always be some people of both faiths who hate each other. The overall hate because of the Crusades are probably gone just because over time things become a little less serious. I think now the overall hatred between any religion, in particularly Christians, is because of all the terror and violence that occurs usually relating to the Muslims.
This is pretty much saying people dislike Muslims for the crimes that they inflict, not necessarily for the Crusades. The media doesn't really affect the views between Christians and Muslims based on the Crusades.
Yes, I do believe the Crusades had a major impact on the relationships, views, and hatred (at times) that Muslims and Christians have for one another. Of course it would not target every single person of these groups, only the ones who took it personally and greatly upon their religion to believe that they were the ones who did the injustice dealing. Well of course you must also take into consideration that maybe those people are ignorant to even think about seeing both sides of the people before taking actions out upon one another. The only way to truly see who did the wrong things during these times is to be neutral and see both sides to the story. Some of the problems may be thought out as "why did they attack the Muslims when they were only protecting their land?" or "we did these actions in command of the pope and he wishes for us to take back the holy lands." Of course that last statement did not apply to all of the crusaders because only some would possibly believe that was what the Pope wanted from them. In reality the crusades made no progress for the Christians because only their first Crusade was of success while the other ones were all failures. No matter how they may think of it the conflict between the Muslims and Christians may never end throughout history. That is why some may strike out the Crusade "card" whenever the other group gets them angry.
I believe that the Crusades did affect christians and muslims today. Muslims have a view of Christians as being terrible people because the crusades attacked them. But many christians always associate muslims with terrorism. Many people judge them and believe that they are all out to corrupt the U.S. When 9/11 occurred matters got worse, and Christians had even "more" reasons to hate muslims. But we alao disagree on many religious poiints. So that also feeds the fire in this heated dislike of eachother.
Isabel, I agree with you that alot of the dislike has to do with religous beliefs, but the acts of terrorism havnt helped.
Jessica, I think that just accepting eachothers beliefs would be alot better, but i doubt that will ever happen.
I think its not really the Crusades that affect Christian and Muslim attitudes and views towards each other but the fact that they are two different religions. The Crusades is probably not remembered by many. I would say they see each other as rivals because they each want their religion to be better than the other. I don't really watch TV or read the news so from that point of view I don't quite know.
Madi - I find it interesting that you don't hear much of the two religions fighting when the United States (a country that is 78.5% Christian of some denomination) is currently AT WAR with Iraq (97% Muslim) and Afghanistan (99% Muslim). I'm not saying that every Christian and every Muslims in those countries hate each other, but the fact remains that that is a huge reason for why we are fighting. I don't think there is a lot of fighting between Muslims and Christians here within the U.S., but I wouldn't go so far as to say that you never hear of them fighting... Just because we don't feel this "hatred" so much personally, we can't forget that there are Muslims and Christians that do truly hate each other. Sorry that was such a long comment. :/
Sally - I agree that some of their disagreements have to do with religion, but I don't think that's the major factor. There are a lot of other religions out there in the world that Christians don't hate such as Buddhism, Hinduism, and even Judaism, and all of those faiths have different morals and beliefs. Also, if we were to say that the Crusades aren't what create the tension between the two religions, just because they happened along time ago, then we could say the same about the difference in some of their beliefs, right? Like that which son was really to be sacrifised? That was a lot longer time ago than the Crusades. Nice post Sally! :)
I do think that the effects of the Crusades are especially seen in the views that Christians and Muslims have towards one another. In the first crusade the Christians defeated the Seljuks and went on to conquer the Holy City. This would be a great conquest for the Christians because it was the first and only time they won in a crusade. The Muslims eventually reconquered Jerusalem and Antioch in the second crusade. One of the most significant effects that the effects of the crusades portrayed was the solidification of the hatred between Muslim and Christians. I would say that for the most part Muslims and Christians don't like one another. In a way both side's religious view act as a catalyst for the war we are fighting with Afghanistan.
Jessica, I also think that there will always be conflicts between Muslims and Christians, as well with other religions. What I don't really agree with is the fact that you said there are Christians that hate ALL Muslims and vice versa, of course, unless you know more than one Christian and Muslim that hate ALL the people from the opposite religion. I agree with you that it's unfortunate that people don't respect other peoples beliefs; life would be much easier...but do you think it would be boring if it wasn't the way it is? Just a thought.
A lot of people have used the 'hate' word during this discussion towards Muslims & Christians. Is the hatred, as many of you say, towards the actual people, or is it toward the faith of those people? Can we distinguish between the two?
Rosie, I totally agree with what you said, i don't think that many people think about the crusades, and that its more about whose religion teaches what "actually" happened. But who knows we have to be in other people's shoes to know how they feel.
Muslims and Christians were wary of each other from the start. Neither side knew much about the other, only that they worshipped differently. There was always contention between the two groups, and then the Crusades brought that hatred to an extreme level. Nowadays I don't think that true Muslims and Christians hate each other because both religions preach that to hate is sinful. During the times of the Crusades, Christians weren't educated about what the bible really said, and Muslims were used to converting people through their usual way- conquering. I think that today the two groups are still wary of each other, but only because they don't know much about the other religion.
The crusades still affect the Christians & Muslims to this day. This rivalry is so ingrained into their culture that unless something changes this will not soon end. They might have some similarities but the truth is they have very different morals. These two religions had hostility for a long time, the Crusades served as a way to cement the divide between the two. In my opinion some of the issues between the two are mostly misunderstandings and inflexibility. If the two where willing to learn more about each other, then it would be easier to respect each other. As for hate, I doubt that they hate each other. They are not known as religions that teach hatred. It is more of a mutual dislike of each other. Media portrays Christians as devout model citizens. On the other hand, Muslims are portrayed as zealous extremist. This is of course largely due to large amount of Christians in America and the whole terrorist controversy. Yet, Christians are portrayed very different in other parts of the world. All in all, for this issue it really depends of your point of view.
Sydney- I agree there might be some tension between the religions. I like the example you used to explain why there would still be tension. I agree there must have been problems before the Crusades. I think that the disagreements in the actual religion did cause violence. The two groups probably didn't bother each other as much as they did once the Crusades started but they probably did have tension.
Rosie- I agree that the Crusades and the difference in religions cause tension. I think the Crusades are researched quite a bit by historians. I think that the two religions do think of each others as rivals or enemies because they both think they are right. I don't really see much on the Crusades on the TV but I also don't watch it a lot.
Jessica – It’s a very bleak outlook to say that their will always be conflict, I much prefer to remain hopeful that they will come to respect each other at the very least. I think that you are right; there are people that have very strong beliefs when it comes to this issue. Great.
Isabel- It is an interesting thought to say that they might not like each other because of the whole terrorist fiasco. I think that was on point. Many people in America judge Muslims and stereotype them as terrorist when nothing could be farther from the truth. Good.
Stefania, I agree with you on the fact that due to the crusades there has been a solid hatred between Muslims and Christians. One thing to remember that it isn't everybody from these two religions who hate each other. Just think, did the EOC hate the Muslims for what the RCC did to them and the Muslims?
Rosie, I can sort of agree with the thought of one religion being better than the other but I can guarantee that many people remember the crusades. How else would they be able to bring up a topic that both of them can argue for years and years without coming to a resolution about?
Carlos--I agree and think that the Christians and Muslims don't necessarily hate eachother but they do dislike eachother.
Rosie-- I disagree with you when you say that you dont think the Crusades really affected the views of the Muslims and Christians towards eachother. I think they did affect the attitudes of both groups, but ultimately I think that even without the Crusades there still would have been tension between the two relgious groups.
Stefani, In a way the Crusades do affect the views that Christians and Muslims have towards one another, but I think many of the people don't even remember the Crusades or even know about them. I do agree with you that for the most part they don't like one another.
Madi, Like you I think they don't really like each other and can't say its because of the Crusades more just because of their disagreements and the fact that they are two different religions. Each religion wants to be better than the other so they stay away from each other. The Crusades doesn't really have much to do with them anymore.
Irma- You had some really good points about their ancestors and how their beliefs or attitudes pass down. That is a very true reason why people now would still dislike one another.
Rosie- You pointed out that both religions are like rivals. It may be true but also, wouldn't other religions be rivals with these two religions? I mean like every religion thinks that they are better in some way. Anyways, I agree with you for this.
Rosie- I agree that Christians and Muslims don't consider the Crusades as a reason to not like each other, but that they are just not comfortable about the other religion.
Isabel- I would agree with you when you say that one of the misconceptions we have about Muslims would be that all of them are terrorists, and I would also say that we don't tie our misunderstandings of them back to the Crusades.
Teresita-I do agree that the crusades affect the way Christians and the Muslims see each other today. I do have to disagree with you when you said that "they don't hate each other, but they don't like each other each other." I think that for the most part they don't like each other more than they like each other (if that makes sense). I wish you could have expanded more on the type of battles they have going on if they're not physical battles. And what do you mean by the other crusades were total fails?
Rosie-After reading your post I thought about things differently. I do have to agree with you that it probably had to do more with the fact that they are two different religions that they don't like each other as opposed to the actual crusades. I also agree that many people either don't remember the crusades, or they just don't know about them.
Mr. Bell- It's not hatred towards the religion it's more of a hate towards people. Since 9/11 Americans have put into their minds that all Muslims are evil when in reality not all of them are evil, but because of the fact that all of the terrorist on 9/11 were Muslims, Americans assumed that all Muslims are like that. It would be like me saying that all televisions are black because I see right now the televisions that I see are black, but we all know that not all the televisions are black. It's like that but more complex. So it's not a hatred towards the religion it's towards the people who follow.
So, what you are saying is that there is hatred because of the label of being a Muslim and the label's association with 9/11 even though people are unaware of what that label means for that particular group of people.
Why are people afraid of the label then? Is it ignorance or just fear because of the terrorism?
Well people are just being ignorant and afraid because of the fact the world put the label of bad guys on Muslim. Yes that is what I'm saying I personally don't use that label when it comes to Muslims. I know that not all Muslims are the bad guys. The only bad guys are the ones who were terrorist not the ones who are innocent. The fact that now the majority of terrorist we hear about are mostly Muslims, but what people don't see is that not all Muslims are terrorist. I don't know how to say it I can't find the words but let's say "All Taliban are Muslims BUT not all Muslims are Taliban or Al-Qeada" It's like saying All Rectangles are Squares BUT not Squares are rectangles. I think I said it right?
Kelli, I too agree that the many differences Muslims and Christians share are key in reason for their disliking towards one another. Also, I believe that although 9/11 is another factor and example of why the two groups dislike each other, it is only one of many. However, it is probably the most recent example so I agree it is a very accurate one pertaining to current day society.
Katherine, I really like what you had to say about how you don't believe their rivalry will end anytime soon. The rest of your blog was also very informative and interesting as well. Your ideas are creative.
Kelli, I found it interesting that you brought up 9/11. It true that many people are afraid of Muslims because of that attack. Of course people were prejudiced against them before but that incident cause more tension against Muslims. Good job!
Kevin, I never thought about how their religions teach that hate is a sin. Its interesting because they say they are so into their religion yet I'm sure that there are a select few who hide their hatred. Good thought and good job!!! I really liked what you had to say about this topic!
There are obviously hatred between the two religions. But I think all that the crusades did, was simply just made matters worse. Yes, because of the crusades, hatred between the two groups solidified. As for today though, I think the level of this hatred has went down. There are of course, places where people are arguing and fighting about their religion with each other.
Kevin- I agree, that if both religions fight because both do not listen to what the other religion is about. I think if both groups stop and just listen to what the other has to say, I believe that at least both groups would have a little more of an understanding for each other.
Hugo- I think that is very true on how to see if both wrongs of the each group, you must be at a neutral state. But the thing is, I don't think you can. Today, the world is either Christian or Muslim, BUT if not their religion will favor one side more then the other, so I believe that it will be quite hard for anybody to truly understand the other group's point of view, without having your belief come into play.
Irma - Well Irma what I meant is that there are some - NOT ALL - people of both religions that are going to hate ALL of the opposite religion-simply because they're religion is different. I find it kind of interesting that you think that the world would be "boring" without conflict due to religious differences, such as hate crimes, terrorism, and even war.
The Crusades still have a huge affect on Christian and Muslim attitudes and views towards each other. Some Muslim extremists view Christians as violent, bloodthirsty people, while many Christians wrongly view all Muslim's as violent, terroristic people. Both sides view the other as something much worse than they are. If the crusades were committed by Pagans instead, the relationship between Muslims and Christians would be much healthier today.
Franklin - I agree with your opinion that the Crusades solidified the hatred between the two religions. The only difference between now and during the Crusades is that blood isn't shed.
Carlos - You are right on the money with your last post. Not all Muslims are terrorists, in fact only a very small percent would even commit terroristic acts upon Christians. The view that many Christians have on Muslims is what keeps the hatred going today.
I do think that the Crusaders had a big impact on Christians and Muslims attitudes towards each other. The views are a lot different; more hate I would imagine, cause of the Crusaders poor decisions in the process to do what Pope Urban had sent them for. Now a days some movies about the crusaders are big hits in the box office. Showing the events of the crusaders, such as “ The Kingdom of Heaven”. This may portray and showing the ancestors of the Muslims being killed and what had they went through at their time of hardship. Since the Turks were not united and were at their most weakest point. The Christians on the other hand, were out to recues the Eastern Orthodox Church. Greed and the lust of money were convinced in their heads, and would do anything to have the riches of the world. This did pose a problem for the crusaders and which they attacked a Christian city Zara. Then on to Constantinople, and the effects were great that the ties were cut off between the two churches and on one could trust anybody really at the time. Cause if you let your guard you yourself could be killed as well. The Kings of the Crusading army had much difficultly in trusting each other to the point of battling themselves. Then again I do think that it had a large impact, and the mistakes of the army proved to be on a large scale.
ReplyDeleteThe crusaders had a huge effect on the Christian and Muslim views today. They now look at each other and don't really have a hatred but more of a dislike towards each other. You don't really hear about there being fights or protests between Christians and Muslims, but you still see a certain dislike towards each other. The tube stretches the truth about the crusades. You see victories and glory coming from the Christian side. In reality only the first crusade was the only successful crusade. All other crusades were not a victory and failed horribly.
ReplyDeleteI believe that in some ways it does still affect the attitudes towards each other. The reason is, both will never forget that the Crusades happened. Even till this point there is conflict between both groups. Mostly the conflicts are over religion and who has the Holy Land. In today's media both religion are being portrayed. For example, Christian priests are all over the media with a scandal about how they molested a child. Another thing is that they may say how Muslims celebrate their holidays differently and some people criticize about the things they do differently. That is how Muslims and Christians are being portrayed.
ReplyDeleteI think that the effects of the Crusades still affects Christian and Muslim attitudes and views towards each other today. Part of that is because the Crusades happened and there is no way to go back and undo everything that happened. I think that the Christians and Muslims from Crusades periods, who hated each other, passed on their hatred to their children, and they passed it on to their children and so on. With so many years passed, I would think that their attitude and views towards each other is based more upon what their ancestors believed and not so much on what actually happened during the Crusades. Thats just a little on what I think...I really have not looked at the effects with detail and I rarely watch t.v., movies, etc. that have to do with history so I'm not sure how they are described.
ReplyDeleteDo you think that the effects of the Crusades still affect Christian & Muslim attitudes & views towards each other today? Think about the portrayal of each group today in TV, the Web, movies, newspapers, & other media. Please explain your answer.
ReplyDeleteBefore the crusades, Muslims and Christians had already established a negative relationship. This was because their religious views contradicted one another and they were often competing for the same land to gain resources and power. These opposite groups experienced problems long before the crusades. The several instances of the crusades simply added to the list of reasons for disagreement and hatred. Today, conflict still arises between Muslims and Christians about several different things that are all based around just one concept; their belief's cause dispute no matter what the reason. It is undeniably just the way it is and probably always will be.
I believe the Crusades definitely did affect Christian & Muslim attitudes & views towards each other today. Because of how the Crusades ended, both groups still have something against each other. Even though to a certain point they respect each other in the way that they decide just not bother each other, they still believe each is better than the other. It may not be hatred that they have for each other but is a strong dislike. You would think that after so many years people would get over the whole thing, but some disagreements still happen today. The United States is welcoming to any person with any religion. Most of the United States is filled with Christians. Muslims aren't seen as bad in the tv or any other media, but some people always have it in their heads to say "Watch Out". This just shows that some things just can not be changed.
ReplyDeleteI think that there is still some tension between Muslims and Christians since the Crusades but I feel that most of the disagreements and tension are more related to the differences in their religions and morals. The Crusades happened a long time ago and most of them seem to have forgotten about or just simply don't really care. I'm sure there are several Muslims and Christians who are very deep into the history and still don't like each other because of the Crusades but I think for the most part it has been forgotten. There are many disagreements between the two but mostly because they both have different religions. Movies had been made but just like anything else, they only give one side of the story instead of the effects on both parts. I haven't really heard anything in the news about Christians and Muslims, but I know they have their conflicts and stuff.
ReplyDeleteI think that the Crusades still have an affect on Christians and Muslims and how they view each other. They don't hate each other but they don't like each other either. They don't have physical battles but they do kind of have little battles going on. The first crusade was the only one that worked and all the other ones were total fails.
ReplyDeleteI do think that Christians and Muslims don't really like each other, but I can't say that it's because of the Crusades, just because it happened ages ago. Mostly, I think that the two religions don't like each other because of disagreements in their religion. But maybe if people are super hardcore, like the elders or something might still be mad just because they could be more aware of what happened in the past, but I highly doubt it. I don't hear much about the two religions fighting, and I think that is just because there has been tension between them so long that they kind of stay clear from one another.
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ReplyDelete-I think you gave some good examples of how Christians and Muslims are being portrayed. I also agree with all the things you had said.
Teresita
-You were able to explain the thing about them not having physical battles but not liking each other. I like that because that's the point I was trying to get across. Good Job!
Not only is there conflict still today between Muslims and Christians, but I believe there always will be. It's hard to just say that all Muslims and all Christians hate each other, because I don't think that's true. But at the same time, there are Christians that hate ALL Muslims, and Muslims that hate ALL Christians. I think it's sad that we all can't just respect each other's beliefs and move on. Everyone thinks they're religion is right-otherwise they wouldn't believe in it, but I don't think it's necessary to try and convert the rest of the world. It's also sad that we can't learn from past mistakes, and move on.
ReplyDeleteI do believe the Crusades still have an effect on Muslims and Christians. After 9/11, many Americans had "islamophobia" or fear of Muslims because the attackers were Islamic. This was worsened by many Christian political leaders such as Bill O'Reilly, who just recently claimed on TV that "Muslims killed us on 9/11". I don't honestly think that the fear of the attackers religion would have surfaced if there weren't already a Muslim prejudice. I also believe that Christianity and Islam have many differences in general, that already aggravate the other religion.
ReplyDeleteYes, I think that the effects of the Crusades still affect Christians and Muslims attitudes towards each other because when one country is attacked, of course they aren't going to forgive and completely forget, there's still going to be tension there. I think that the two groups already had problems before the Crusades so as more problems and conflicts arose between them, it added to the affects of the Crusades. I think that these two groups are portrayed that they don't get along very well because of they're beliefs. However, I think that this portrayal is true because the two groups of people have never fully gotten along.
ReplyDeleteJessica - I agree with you that there are Christians and Muslims that hate the entire other religion, and it's a sad fact. I also believe that we should try to let it bother us less and forgive past events.
ReplyDeleteKeyli - I agree that each religion believes it's superior to the others. I also agree that bad feelings are still around because of the Crusades, because like you said, they both still have things against the other.
Olivia, that was a good point that Muslims and Christians have always had some beef. I think that no matter what, there is always going to be unsolved issues, so nothing will be resolved. Good post.
ReplyDeleteTeresita, I can't really comment on yours because than my comment would be bigger than your post. But I like your posts because they are simple and straight to the point. I agree with what you say. I have to agree that compared to the first battle of the Crusades, the rest of the attempts weren't as good.
The Crusades definitely effected the attitudes of the Muslims and Christians toward each other. During the time period after the Crusades Muslims and Christians hated each other. I don't think the same holds true today. Muslims and Christians today may not necessarily like each other but they don't hate one another either. Conflict between the two groups arises with the topic of religion and faith. Each group has its own distinct beliefs, practices and customs as any other faith does. So I do think the Crusades affected the relation between the two at the time but not necessarily today because within some areas what the Christians believe is the complete opposite of what the Muslims believe so I think even without the Crusades there would have still been some tension. I haven't really seen any of the effects on how they are portrayed on t.v. and other media.
ReplyDeleteKelli -- I agree with you that many Christians blame 9/11 on Muslims and for that reason our country of Christians still continues to have some hurt and defensive feelings about the Muslims. I think that 9/11 added tension to the relation between these two different religious groups.
ReplyDeleteOlivia-- I think that you covered this topic very well and you supported your answer nice. I agree that before all of the Crusades, there was already tension between the two groups so the Crusades added to that. I agree that the different beliefs of these two groups is always going to cause dispute because they have different views on different parts of religion.
Perhaps the Crusades affect the way different groups view each other because of the long held prejudices that are rooted in the Crusades. They were present before, but were strengthened when the Crusades took place, and have been held ever since.
ReplyDeleteBut maybe both groups don't dislike each other because of the crusades. Muslims and Christians both disagree on many topics of their religions. Also, both religious groups may have misconceptions about the other, such as the common misconception that all Muslims are terrorists. This was not made any easier on the Muslims by the negative media coverage following various terrorist acts both in the Middle East and in other countries, including our own.
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ReplyDeleteYes, I think that the Crusades still affect some Christians and Muslims. It might not affect all of them but it definitely affects some. Both of the religions had different views on these attacks. The Muslims that they were being attacked. Then Christian thought that they were defending their countries. This is probably some of the reasons why there is still war between christian dominated countries and Islamic countries.
ReplyDeleteWhen ever they portray a Muslim usually in media it is usually because they associate them with terrorist. The "hatred" between the two religions really haven't stopped. If it had then the Muslims would probably be a lot more peaceful. Followers of their religion would probably not be suicide bombers in the name of Allah. Most of the media inquires that Muslims are bad people. This is not true but the acts that they do just makes it stereotypical. These acts could have something to do with the Crusades. Then again terrorist attacks can have nothing to do with the crusades.
There will always be some people of both faiths who hate each other. The overall hate because of the Crusades are probably gone just because over time things become a little less serious. I think now the overall hatred between any religion, in particularly Christians, is because of all the terror and violence that occurs usually relating to the Muslims.
This is pretty much saying people dislike Muslims for the crimes that they inflict, not necessarily for the Crusades. The media doesn't really affect the views between Christians and Muslims based on the Crusades.
Yes, I do believe the Crusades had a major impact on the relationships, views, and hatred (at times) that Muslims and Christians have for one another. Of course it would not target every single person of these groups, only the ones who took it personally and greatly upon their religion to believe that they were the ones who did the injustice dealing. Well of course you must also take into consideration that maybe those people are ignorant to even think about seeing both sides of the people before taking actions out upon one another. The only way to truly see who did the wrong things during these times is to be neutral and see both sides to the story.
ReplyDeleteSome of the problems may be thought out as "why did they attack the Muslims when they were only protecting their land?" or "we did these actions in command of the pope and he wishes for us to take back the holy lands." Of course that last statement did not apply to all of the crusaders because only some would possibly believe that was what the Pope wanted from them. In reality the crusades made no progress for the Christians because only their first Crusade was of success while the other ones were all failures.
No matter how they may think of it the conflict between the Muslims and Christians may never end throughout history. That is why some may strike out the Crusade "card" whenever the other group gets them angry.
I believe that the Crusades did affect christians and muslims today. Muslims have a view of Christians as being terrible people because the crusades attacked them. But many christians always associate muslims with terrorism. Many people judge them and believe that they are all out to corrupt the U.S. When 9/11 occurred matters got worse, and Christians had even "more" reasons to hate muslims. But we alao disagree on many religious poiints. So that also feeds the fire in this heated dislike of eachother.
ReplyDeleteIsabel,
I agree with you that alot of the dislike has to do with religous beliefs, but the acts of terrorism havnt helped.
Jessica,
I think that just accepting eachothers beliefs would be alot better, but i doubt that will ever happen.
I think its not really the Crusades that affect Christian and Muslim attitudes and views towards each other but the fact that they are two different religions. The Crusades is probably not remembered by many. I would say they see each other as rivals because they each want their religion to be better than the other. I don't really watch TV or read the news so from that point of view I don't quite know.
ReplyDeleteMadi
ReplyDelete- I find it interesting that you don't hear much of the two religions fighting when the United States (a country that is 78.5% Christian of some denomination) is currently AT WAR with Iraq (97% Muslim) and Afghanistan (99% Muslim). I'm not saying that every Christian and every Muslims in those countries hate each other, but the fact remains that that is a huge reason for why we are fighting. I don't think there is a lot of fighting between Muslims and Christians here within the U.S., but I wouldn't go so far as to say that you never hear of them fighting... Just because we don't feel this "hatred" so much personally, we can't forget that there are Muslims and Christians that do truly hate each other. Sorry that was such a long comment. :/
Sally
- I agree that some of their disagreements have to do with religion, but I don't think that's the major factor. There are a lot of other religions out there in the world that Christians don't hate such as Buddhism, Hinduism, and even Judaism, and all of those faiths have different morals and beliefs. Also, if we were to say that the Crusades aren't what create the tension between the two religions, just because they happened along time ago, then we could say the same about the difference in some of their beliefs, right? Like that which son was really to be sacrifised? That was a lot longer time ago than the Crusades. Nice post Sally! :)
I do think that the effects of the Crusades are especially seen in the views that Christians and Muslims have towards one another. In the first crusade the Christians defeated the Seljuks and went on to conquer the Holy City. This would be a great conquest for the Christians because it was the first and only time they won in a crusade. The Muslims eventually reconquered Jerusalem and Antioch in the second crusade. One of the most significant effects that the effects of the crusades portrayed was the solidification of the hatred between Muslim and Christians. I would say that for the most part Muslims and Christians don't like one another. In a way both side's religious view act as a catalyst for the war we are fighting with Afghanistan.
ReplyDeleteJessica,
ReplyDeleteI also think that there will always be conflicts between Muslims and Christians, as well with other religions. What I don't really agree with is the fact that you said there are Christians that hate ALL Muslims and vice versa, of course, unless you know more than one Christian and Muslim that hate ALL the people from the opposite religion. I agree with you that it's unfortunate that people don't respect other peoples beliefs; life would be much easier...but do you think it would be boring if it wasn't the way it is? Just a thought.
Just a thought,
ReplyDeleteA lot of people have used the 'hate' word during this discussion towards Muslims & Christians. Is the hatred, as many of you say, towards the actual people, or is it toward the faith of those people? Can we distinguish between the two?
Rosie,
ReplyDeleteI totally agree with what you said, i don't think that many people think about the crusades, and that its more about whose religion teaches what "actually" happened. But who knows we have to be in other people's shoes to know how they feel.
Muslims and Christians were wary of each other from the start. Neither side knew much about the other, only that they worshipped differently. There was always contention between the two groups, and then the Crusades brought that hatred to an extreme level. Nowadays I don't think that true Muslims and Christians hate each other because both religions preach that to hate is sinful. During the times of the Crusades, Christians weren't educated about what the bible really said, and Muslims were used to converting people through their usual way- conquering. I think that today the two groups are still wary of each other, but only because they don't know much about the other religion.
ReplyDeleteThe crusades still affect the Christians & Muslims to this day. This rivalry is so ingrained into their culture that unless something changes this will not soon end. They might have some similarities but the truth is they have very different morals. These two religions had hostility for a long time, the Crusades served as a way to cement the divide between the two. In my opinion some of the issues between the two are mostly misunderstandings and inflexibility. If the two where willing to learn more about each other, then it would be easier to respect each other. As for hate, I doubt that they hate each other. They are not known as religions that teach hatred. It is more of a mutual dislike of each other. Media portrays Christians as devout model citizens. On the other hand, Muslims are portrayed as zealous extremist. This is of course largely due to large amount of Christians in America and the whole terrorist controversy. Yet, Christians are portrayed very different in other parts of the world. All in all, for this issue it really depends of your point of view.
ReplyDeleteSydney- I agree there might be some tension between the religions. I like the example you used to explain why there would still be tension. I agree there must have been problems before the Crusades. I think that the disagreements in the actual religion did cause violence. The two groups probably didn't bother each other as much as they did once the Crusades started but they probably did have tension.
ReplyDeleteRosie- I agree that the Crusades and the difference in religions cause tension. I think the Crusades are researched quite a bit by historians. I think that the two religions do think of each others as rivals or enemies because they both think they are right. I don't really see much on the Crusades on the TV but I also don't watch it a lot.
Jessica – It’s a very bleak outlook to say that their will always be conflict, I much prefer to remain hopeful that they will come to respect each other at the very least. I think that you are right; there are people that have very strong beliefs when it comes to this issue. Great.
ReplyDeleteIsabel- It is an interesting thought to say that they might not like each other because of the whole terrorist fiasco. I think that was on point. Many people in America judge Muslims and stereotype them as terrorist when nothing could be farther from the truth. Good.
Stefania,
ReplyDeleteI agree with you on the fact that due to the crusades there has been a solid hatred between Muslims and Christians. One thing to remember that it isn't everybody from these two religions who hate each other. Just think, did the EOC hate the Muslims for what the RCC did to them and the Muslims?
Rosie,
I can sort of agree with the thought of one religion being better than the other but I can guarantee that many people remember the crusades. How else would they be able to bring up a topic that both of them can argue for years and years without coming to a resolution about?
Carlos--I agree and think that the Christians and Muslims don't necessarily hate eachother but they do dislike eachother.
ReplyDeleteRosie-- I disagree with you when you say that you dont think the Crusades really affected the views of the Muslims and Christians towards eachother. I think they did affect the attitudes of both groups, but ultimately I think that even without the Crusades there still would have been tension between the two relgious groups.
Stefani,
ReplyDeleteIn a way the Crusades do affect the views that Christians and Muslims have towards one another, but I think many of the people don't even remember the Crusades or even know about them. I do agree with you that for the most part they don't like one another.
Madi,
Like you I think they don't really like each other and can't say its because of the Crusades more just because of their disagreements and the fact that they are two different religions. Each religion wants to be better than the other so they stay away from each other. The Crusades doesn't really have much to do with them anymore.
Irma-
ReplyDeleteYou had some really good points about their ancestors and how their beliefs or attitudes pass down. That is a very true reason why people now would still dislike one another.
Rosie-
You pointed out that both religions are like rivals. It may be true but also, wouldn't other religions be rivals with these two religions? I mean like every religion thinks that they are better in some way. Anyways, I agree with you for this.
Rosie- I agree that Christians and Muslims don't consider the Crusades as a reason to not like each other, but that they are just not comfortable about the other religion.
ReplyDeleteIsabel- I would agree with you when you say that one of the misconceptions we have about Muslims would be that all of them are terrorists, and I would also say that we don't tie our misunderstandings of them back to the Crusades.
Teresita-I do agree that the crusades affect the way Christians and the Muslims see each other today. I do have to disagree with you when you said that "they don't hate each other, but they don't like each other each other." I think that for the most part they don't like each other more than they like each other (if that makes sense). I wish you could have expanded more on the type of battles they have going on if they're not physical battles. And what do you mean by the other crusades were total fails?
ReplyDeleteRosie-After reading your post I thought about things differently. I do have to agree with you that it probably had to do more with the fact that they are two different religions that they don't like each other as opposed to the actual crusades. I also agree that many people either don't remember the crusades, or they just don't know about them.
Mr. Bell- It's not hatred towards the religion it's more of a hate towards people. Since 9/11 Americans have put into their minds that all Muslims are evil when in reality not all of them are evil, but because of the fact that all of the terrorist on 9/11 were Muslims, Americans assumed that all Muslims are like that. It would be like me saying that all televisions are black because I see right now the televisions that I see are black, but we all know that not all the televisions are black. It's like that but more complex. So it's not a hatred towards the religion it's towards the people who follow.
ReplyDeleteZulema- I sort of agree with you but at the same time I don't. I liked your opinion. You did a great job.
ReplyDeleteIsabel- Your opinion was stated well. I liked the length of your paragraph. Good job.
Carlos,
ReplyDeleteSo, what you are saying is that there is hatred because of the label of being a Muslim and the label's association with 9/11 even though people are unaware of what that label means for that particular group of people.
Why are people afraid of the label then? Is it ignorance or just fear because of the terrorism?
Mr. Bell,
ReplyDeleteWell people are just being ignorant and afraid because of the fact the world put the label of bad guys on Muslim. Yes that is what I'm saying I personally don't use that label when it comes to Muslims. I know that not all Muslims are the bad guys. The only bad guys are the ones who were terrorist not the ones who are innocent. The fact that now the majority of terrorist we hear about are mostly Muslims, but what people don't see is that not all Muslims are terrorist. I don't know how to say it I can't find the words but let's say "All Taliban are Muslims BUT not all Muslims are Taliban or Al-Qeada" It's like saying All Rectangles are Squares BUT not Squares are rectangles. I think I said it right?
Kelli, I too agree that the many differences Muslims and Christians share are key in reason for their disliking towards one another. Also, I believe that although 9/11 is another factor and example of why the two groups dislike each other, it is only one of many. However, it is probably the most recent example so I agree it is a very accurate one pertaining to current day society.
ReplyDeleteKatherine, I really like what you had to say about how you don't believe their rivalry will end anytime soon. The rest of your blog was also very informative and interesting as well. Your ideas are creative.
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ReplyDeleteKelli,
ReplyDeleteI found it interesting that you brought up 9/11. It true that many people are afraid of Muslims because of that attack. Of course people were prejudiced against them before but that incident cause more tension against Muslims. Good job!
Kevin,
I never thought about how their religions teach that hate is a sin. Its interesting because they say they are so into their religion yet I'm sure that there are a select few who hide their hatred. Good thought and good job!!! I really liked what you had to say about this topic!
There are obviously hatred between the two religions. But I think all that the crusades did, was simply just made matters worse. Yes, because of the crusades, hatred between the two groups solidified. As for today though, I think the level of this hatred has went down. There are of course, places where people are arguing and fighting about their religion with each other.
ReplyDeleteKevin- I agree, that if both religions fight because both do not listen to what the other religion is about. I think if both groups stop and just listen to what the other has to say, I believe that at least both groups would have a little more of an understanding for each other.
ReplyDeleteHugo- I think that is very true on how to see if both wrongs of the each group, you must be at a neutral state. But the thing is, I don't think you can. Today, the world is either Christian or Muslim, BUT if not their religion will favor one side more then the other, so I believe that it will be quite hard for anybody to truly understand the other group's point of view, without having your belief come into play.
Irma
ReplyDelete- Well Irma what I meant is that there are some - NOT ALL - people of both religions that are going to hate ALL of the opposite religion-simply because they're religion is different. I find it kind of interesting that you think that the world would be "boring" without conflict due to religious differences, such as hate crimes, terrorism, and even war.
The Crusades still have a huge affect on Christian and Muslim attitudes and views towards each other. Some Muslim extremists view Christians as violent, bloodthirsty people, while many Christians wrongly view all Muslim's as violent, terroristic people. Both sides view the other as something much worse than they are. If the crusades were committed by Pagans instead, the relationship between Muslims and Christians would be much healthier today.
ReplyDeleteFranklin - I agree with your opinion that the Crusades solidified the hatred between the two religions. The only difference between now and during the Crusades is that blood isn't shed.
ReplyDeleteCarlos - You are right on the money with your last post. Not all Muslims are terrorists, in fact only a very small percent would even commit terroristic acts upon Christians. The view that many Christians have on Muslims is what keeps the hatred going today.